Evidence Post 2021

[koraki]

As much as we would like to, the mods do not know every single robotic canon out there. We trust that participants are nominating characters in good faith, but we'll still do a quick search on characters we're unfamiliar with to make sure the tags going through are correct. If you think that's a recipe for confusion (say you nominated a character who is identified by the internet-available canon synopsis as a human scientist, but you meant the final incarnation of the character whose mind fused with her spaceship's AI over the course of the story), drop a comment here to let the mods know in advance!

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[(Anonymous)]

Noticed you haven't approved most of my Deus Ex tags yet. Sarif and page have augmentations.

https://archiveofourown.org/tag_sets/6048/nominations/192908

David Sarif does have a CASIE Aug outside of his cybernetic arms, which is cybernetic cerebal implants. If Black Lightning can be approved from last year, I don't see why Sarif can't be.

https://deusex.fandom.com/wiki/David_Sarif

and Bob Page has Nanonites technology.

https://deusex.fandom.com/wiki/Bob_Page

You can see it on his face too.

Also, I fixed my DBH tag.

Thank you! I hope this clears things up :)

[koraki]

Hello and thank you for dropping a comment here! The mods are not familiar with Deus Ex and were indeed planning to include those characters in our weekend clarifications post.

"Augmented" humans have historically been considered borderline cases as far as eligibility for this exchange. For such characters we want to err on the side of permissiveness as long as their eligibility as a robotic character can be supported in some way by canonical themes, which is why such characters have generally been approved in the past as long as the nominator is able to provide clarification! :)

Here are some examples of compelling/clarifying evidence that has been provided in the past regarding the eligibility of augmented human characters:

• "[The character] had a chip implanted in his brain. Removing the chip would kill him. This chip can be used to upload skills and information into his brain. It can also be used to suppress memories and his original personality."


• "A technopath is able to access [the character's] mind/operating system via his brain chip. There's another character with mind control powers who is unable to make [the character] do anything because too much of his nervous system is cybernetic."


• "A big theme in [the canon] is that the more you become a cyborg/elect to replace your body parts with cybernetics the less human you become and part of both character's interactions with others is that they're considered less human and odd because they're more human than machine."


• "In [the canon], [the characters] use(/have had used on them) an immortality process in which they become kind of shadow creatures (living a disembodied existence in something called "the black cradle") that can be attached to an "anchor" human."


Based off the above examples, would you be able to provide a bit more clarifying information about the CASIE Aug and Nanonites technology and how they relate to the characters in canon? Thanks again!

[(Anonymous)]

-If the chips are removed they won't die but they receive brain damage because part of their brain matter is also removed. There's one character in Deus Ex: Mankind Divided that had cerebral implants removed left him with permanent memory loss and incognitive thinking skills.

-Bob Page is a character that can hook himself up to a machine called HELIOS where he can control it and take over the web servers and other technological enhancements. It's part of his nanonite technology in the link. He wants to become one with the machine and make HELIOS do what it tells him. This is what the "disembodied existence" I guess you want to call it that.

-Yes, that was Adam Jensen's main part. There are other characters like him too. Viktor Marchenko and Talos Rucka is another prime example of full cyborg and machine. Most people just select Adam Jensen because he's the main character. Page literally plugs himself up with nano technology embedded in his system.

-When hooked up to the machine world one technically can become immortal.

Deus Ex is a game that revolves around augmented humans and cyberpunk theme. That's what this game franchise pretty much is. I also point out that Adam Jensen also had CASIE augmentations.

https://deusex.fandom.com/wiki/Bob_Page

Bob Page:

https://deusex.fandom.com/wiki/Bob_Page?file=Bob_Page_merge.jpg is what I am talking about.

Also CASIE Aug: https://deusex.fandom.com/wiki/Social_Enhancer_(DXHR)

This tells you everything you need to know.

The CASIE (Computer Assisted Social Interaction Enhancer) is one of the many augmentations available in Deus Ex: Human Revolution. It serves to make most conversations a bit easier, and adds a bit of replay value to the game thanks to its unique dialogue options.

Let me know if you need anything else. I'm not the best at explaining things. Maybe I can get my friend to help me here.

[koraki]

Hi! Thank you for the additional clarification, this is very helpful as the mods are not familiar with the canon. It looks like Bob Page is definitely eligible.

A human character with robotic limbs would not generally be considered eligible on the basis of this alone which is part of why we were looking for clarification regarding David Sarif. Given the additional information you provided about the themes of the canon, the character, and his augmentations, David Sarif would be considered eligible so we will approve this character as well.

We appreciate the additional information!

[(Anonymous)]

Thanks! Sorry, I am very bad at explaining things. It's like...how do I do this? Haha.

Thank you so much! No problem!

David Sarif Nomination

[(Anonymous)]

Hi,

I'm the Anonymous' friend.

For David Sarif, he has lost one of his arms in an incident before the start of the game and it is shown that he lost the other one after the Panchaea Incident. So both of his arms are augmented.

It is stated that he has CASIE social enhancer, a technology that his company has developed.

He even has an EMP shield aug. In gameplay, he isn't affected by an EMP grenade, despite the fact that this would usually trigger some reactions from NPCs.

All these information can be seen on: https://deusex.fandom.com/wiki/David_Sarif